The Test Tube – Single but Pregant Part 3

Continued from Part 2: pdlionunlimited.wordpress.com/?p=1507

Sperm bank

Gracey: Jesus should be our example of the way he treated people especially people we would consider “sinners”. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and Sadducees who were teachers of the law and to me hypocrites. What I find disturbing in churches today is that we are beginning to mirror the Pharisees. Showing love to someone doesn’t equate an endorsement of their sin. Jesus would not be eating with the tax collectors then.

Amy:  There is no painting it. It is flesh. It is sin. I will never forget a very simple message I heard years ago- for every excuse or insurmountable problem, you will have have 70 others that are standing…..

Derek Prince’s first wife already had several adopted children when he married her.

PD’s take already explains it properly.  Whether church support or counsel is right is the least of her problems. The same fear and doubt and insecurities that drove her to this will be there for her to surmount raising that boy or girl, and for her own good she better repent for real.

What she has done is trying to gain gratification or pleasure (in this case perceived motherhood) or security in her human strength or wisdom of only those who have biological children will be safe or cared for in old age. Just like some people say only girls look after their elderly parents, yet we see Naomi who had no daughter being blessed with a daughter in law that was more than 10 sons.

She has sinned- period.

She needs to repent, or else the consequences cannot be imagined yet – mental health issues from identity problems in the child….

Is it any different from a woman who decides to masturbate or use sex toys because ‘husband is not forthcoming’? I won’t be surprised if such women might be among closet homosexuals multiplying in churches and trying to force us to accept them as they are rather than focus on pursuing holiness.

Aj: I actually know a single brother who is looking to adopt a child… What should I tell him?

HM: Tell him to look for wife joor. Its bc of him that lady went to antificial insemination

Kugbo: Gbam !!!!!

Aj: OK ma

My own big question is how would we treat it if she had adopted? Would it be any different? Is the physical sign (pregnancy) really the elephant in the room?

Elly: Exactly….

Lee: Your room must be very big to size an elephant. 😳

PD: In some ways, yes. It is the elephant in the room.

But her reasons remain the elephant outside the room.

She could adopt for a noble reason but then she could adopt for the same fearful reasons she did artificial insemination.

Amy: Let’s never forget we are in the world but not of the world. Our standards do not change because of society.  God’s pattern is there for our good. Children should be born to two people in a married relationship.  If you like use the law or science to create inventions of sperm donor banks or change the societal definition of marriage, the church does not have to change its stand on what is sin.  She must keep arms open to any that want to come, but leadership must be based on certain key qualities being met.

HM: Seriously though, the counsellors can refer to Abraham in Genesis. The wife was tired of waiting and considered her body and decided it will b good to help God and get s child via another woman. This could be called in this time as surrogate, adultery, etc but it is d same thing Sarah did that this woman did just that one was married and d other not married. Both had waited and got tired of waiting. Both considered the situations they were in and both made a compromise. Sarah got d consequences  of her action and this woman will. Why u ask. Bc she did not trust God, and according to scripture whoever relies in d arm of flesh will b disappointed. Now it doesn’t mean God can’t use this woman situations such that it may even seem God engineered it. Her sin that she should repent from is not trusting God enough to wait for his intervention. This applies to us all. So let’s hold us to that promise of God and put it to work by speaking it . Remember we having the same spirit of faith, believe therefore we speak. If God says you shall be called married, please confess it until u are. If God says u shalll not b barren, confess it until u carry your children.  God cant lie. Lets trust Him and act on his Word.

Glo: 👌CHILDREN SHOULD BE BORN TO PEOPLE IN MARRIAGE.

Whether adoption or artificial insemination for a single, I think it’s wrong.

God didn’t plan for Mary to be a single Mom, He sent her Joseph. Even though Jesus was conceived by spiritual conception (lol), God still arranged for him to be born into a home. If every single should go ahead to be single parents because they can afford to, then with time people won’t see a need for a proper family anymore. God designed family for a purpose.

PD: God designed family ooo … Na him know why pass all of us.

Holy Glo, thou hast spoken. The caveat is that of a fully realized adult with a divine calling to take in orphans. In that case, single or married, as long as there is a divine calling, it has to be fulfilled.

Watchman Nee was one of 8 orphaned boys raised by a godly woman who felt called to raise those 8 boys (no more) for the Lord’s kingdom use. From what I heard, all 8 became ministers of the gospel.

Amy: The case of Derek Prince’s 1st wife was more of her adopting orphaned children or giving them a home.  It was not that she was desperate to marry or afraid that she had gone past age. In fact she was already established with many children (daughters) in her home when he met her. There is no sin in a single person adopting to care for an orphaned child like this example. It is when it is being used as a means to fill a supposed vacuum of no husband or biological clock going that is problem.

Glo: I guess this is one of the noble reasons PD was talking about.

Hon: And surprisingly, many of us are seeing that meting discipline to this woman will be unjust unless we also do same to the cousins of this same act like surrogacy and sperm donations for couples.

Aj: I actually know a single brother who is looking to adopt. What should I tell him?

PD: Find out why he wants to adopt. He too might be living in fear of marriage or something or perhaps enough sisters have burnt his cable that he feels he has no prayer at all. Try to help him if that’s the case.

Aj: Great… We need to be a able to discern what the motivation is in each case.

PD: Yes boss.

Obi: All said and done we have come to concrete conclusion on this issue thanks to all that contributed.  This is why we need to appreciate our pastors in church this is just a tip of the iceberg of the issues that they have to deal with all the time and the least we can do is to support them and help them. The counselors are human being also do let’s not nail them and call them judgemental, it could have been you.

I am in a church setting and I know how we talk to youths not to engage in vices that are contrary to God’s word and they step out and do just what you warned them not to do, and when the consequences hit them in the face they run back to the church. Repenting and are counseled in love and guess what once the whole thing fizzles out they go back and commit same vice again.

We are living in the end times where the love of many are waxing cold most youths are hedonist in nature and practice hedonism in church. Hedonists are individuals who come to church or any institution for fun or pleasure, once they are not having fun they will get irritated so when you preach the message of the gospel they get offended and just walk away from the church that is what gives rise to issues like this.

We need to know that pastors and counselors are exegetical escorts, they usher is into the presence of God and the process of transformation is done by the Holy Spirit. This is just my thought. Thank you and good night family

PD: Exegetical escorts, hedonism … Hmmmm … next time somebody calls me out on speaking big big grammar, I will fine the person o.

PD: I don’t get this part … there was something about Pharisees and Jesus eating with sinners and applying to this woman’s case.

I believe there is an honest misunderstanding and consequently, misappropriation of the “Jesus eating with sinners” line. Jesus did indeed eat with sinners and his ever clear focus was to restore them to the father. He didn’t go after their errors instead he focused on restoration.

But the scenario presented, which we are discussing, is not about a sinner but a saint. A saint in error but a saint nonetheless. The protocols are different for an erring family member, which we have touched severally. In the spirit of humility, being very conscious of our own fallibility, we should lift up the fallen. While the protocol could also involve tough love and sharp rebukes and some harsh looking actions including kicking guys out or handing them over to the devil (gengeun … I don enter!) the focus is the same, restoration.

Calling an error an error is not why the Pharisees irritated Jesus, it was their hypocrisy. Calling out a brother in error for his error does not mean I am not mindful of the errors in my past. There are some errors in my past that, had someone not called me out on it, I might not be here today. If we say only those who have an untarnished record should speak out against wrong, then there would be nothing like correction.

There is a serious duty that Jesus placed on the shoulders of church leaders for which they will give account so it’s not beans or a matter they should treat lightly or that we should castigate them for.

Jn 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Rom 13:5 Wherefore [ye] must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

 

It behooves us, then, to pray for our leaders that they will always work righteousness in the hearts of the church.

Some of us might remember this song by Reverend Milton Brunson and the Thompson Community Singers

 

You gave me my hands to reach out to man

To show him Your love and Your perfect plan

You gave me my ears, I can hear Your voice so clear

I can hear the cries of sinners

But can I wipe away their tears?

 

You gave me my voice to speak Your Word

To sing all Your praises to those who never heard

But with my eyes I can see a need for more availability

I’ve seen the hearts that have been broken

So many people to be free

 

Lord, I’m available to You

My will I give to You

I’ll do what You say do

Use me Lord to show someone the way and enable me to say…

My storage is empty and I am available to You

 

Now I’m giving back to You all the tools You gave to me

My hands, my ears, my voice, my eyes

So You can use me as You please

I have emptied out my cup so that You can fill it up

Now I’m free, I just want to be more available to You

 

Lord, I’m available to You

My will I give to You

I’ll do what You say do

Use me Lord to show someone the way and enable me to say…

My storage is empty and I am available to You

 

The End.

There is another group whose contribution I would still like to share but for now, in case you missed previous parts of this one

Part 1: pdlionunlimited.wordpress.com/2017/08/02/the-test-tube-single-but-pregnant-qa-pt-1/

Part 2: pdlionunlimited.wordpress.com/?p=1507

 

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