The Test Tube – Single but Pregant Part 3

Continued from Part 2: pdlionunlimited.wordpress.com/?p=1507

Sperm bank

Gracey: Jesus should be our example of the way he treated people especially people we would consider “sinners”. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and Sadducees who were teachers of the law and to me hypocrites. What I find disturbing in churches today is that we are beginning to mirror the Pharisees. Showing love to someone doesn’t equate an endorsement of their sin. Jesus would not be eating with the tax collectors then.

Amy:  There is no painting it. It is flesh. It is sin. I will never forget a very simple message I heard years ago- for every excuse or insurmountable problem, you will have have 70 others that are standing…..

Derek Prince’s first wife already had several adopted children when he married her.

PD’s take already explains it properly.  Whether church support or counsel is right is the least of her problems. The same fear and doubt and insecurities that drove her to this will be there for her to surmount raising that boy or girl, and for her own good she better repent for real.

What she has done is trying to gain gratification or pleasure (in this case perceived motherhood) or security in her human strength or wisdom of only those who have biological children will be safe or cared for in old age. Just like some people say only girls look after their elderly parents, yet we see Naomi who had no daughter being blessed with a daughter in law that was more than 10 sons.

She has sinned- period.

She needs to repent, or else the consequences cannot be imagined yet – mental health issues from identity problems in the child….

Is it any different from a woman who decides to masturbate or use sex toys because ‘husband is not forthcoming’? I won’t be surprised if such women might be among closet homosexuals multiplying in churches and trying to force us to accept them as they are rather than focus on pursuing holiness.

Aj: I actually know a single brother who is looking to adopt a child… What should I tell him?

HM: Tell him to look for wife joor. Its bc of him that lady went to antificial insemination

Kugbo: Gbam !!!!!

Aj: OK ma

My own big question is how would we treat it if she had adopted? Would it be any different? Is the physical sign (pregnancy) really the elephant in the room?

Elly: Exactly….

Lee: Your room must be very big to size an elephant. 😳

PD: In some ways, yes. It is the elephant in the room.

But her reasons remain the elephant outside the room.

She could adopt for a noble reason but then she could adopt for the same fearful reasons she did artificial insemination.

Amy: Let’s never forget we are in the world but not of the world. Our standards do not change because of society.  God’s pattern is there for our good. Children should be born to two people in a married relationship.  If you like use the law or science to create inventions of sperm donor banks or change the societal definition of marriage, the church does not have to change its stand on what is sin.  She must keep arms open to any that want to come, but leadership must be based on certain key qualities being met.

HM: Seriously though, the counsellors can refer to Abraham in Genesis. The wife was tired of waiting and considered her body and decided it will b good to help God and get s child via another woman. This could be called in this time as surrogate, adultery, etc but it is d same thing Sarah did that this woman did just that one was married and d other not married. Both had waited and got tired of waiting. Both considered the situations they were in and both made a compromise. Sarah got d consequences  of her action and this woman will. Why u ask. Bc she did not trust God, and according to scripture whoever relies in d arm of flesh will b disappointed. Now it doesn’t mean God can’t use this woman situations such that it may even seem God engineered it. Her sin that she should repent from is not trusting God enough to wait for his intervention. This applies to us all. So let’s hold us to that promise of God and put it to work by speaking it . Remember we having the same spirit of faith, believe therefore we speak. If God says you shall be called married, please confess it until u are. If God says u shalll not b barren, confess it until u carry your children.  God cant lie. Lets trust Him and act on his Word.

Glo: 👌CHILDREN SHOULD BE BORN TO PEOPLE IN MARRIAGE.

Whether adoption or artificial insemination for a single, I think it’s wrong.

God didn’t plan for Mary to be a single Mom, He sent her Joseph. Even though Jesus was conceived by spiritual conception (lol), God still arranged for him to be born into a home. If every single should go ahead to be single parents because they can afford to, then with time people won’t see a need for a proper family anymore. God designed family for a purpose.

PD: God designed family ooo … Na him know why pass all of us.

Holy Glo, thou hast spoken. The caveat is that of a fully realized adult with a divine calling to take in orphans. In that case, single or married, as long as there is a divine calling, it has to be fulfilled.

Watchman Nee was one of 8 orphaned boys raised by a godly woman who felt called to raise those 8 boys (no more) for the Lord’s kingdom use. From what I heard, all 8 became ministers of the gospel.

Amy: The case of Derek Prince’s 1st wife was more of her adopting orphaned children or giving them a home.  It was not that she was desperate to marry or afraid that she had gone past age. In fact she was already established with many children (daughters) in her home when he met her. There is no sin in a single person adopting to care for an orphaned child like this example. It is when it is being used as a means to fill a supposed vacuum of no husband or biological clock going that is problem.

Glo: I guess this is one of the noble reasons PD was talking about.

Hon: And surprisingly, many of us are seeing that meting discipline to this woman will be unjust unless we also do same to the cousins of this same act like surrogacy and sperm donations for couples.

Aj: I actually know a single brother who is looking to adopt. What should I tell him?

PD: Find out why he wants to adopt. He too might be living in fear of marriage or something or perhaps enough sisters have burnt his cable that he feels he has no prayer at all. Try to help him if that’s the case.

Aj: Great… We need to be a able to discern what the motivation is in each case.

PD: Yes boss.

Obi: All said and done we have come to concrete conclusion on this issue thanks to all that contributed.  This is why we need to appreciate our pastors in church this is just a tip of the iceberg of the issues that they have to deal with all the time and the least we can do is to support them and help them. The counselors are human being also do let’s not nail them and call them judgemental, it could have been you.

I am in a church setting and I know how we talk to youths not to engage in vices that are contrary to God’s word and they step out and do just what you warned them not to do, and when the consequences hit them in the face they run back to the church. Repenting and are counseled in love and guess what once the whole thing fizzles out they go back and commit same vice again.

We are living in the end times where the love of many are waxing cold most youths are hedonist in nature and practice hedonism in church. Hedonists are individuals who come to church or any institution for fun or pleasure, once they are not having fun they will get irritated so when you preach the message of the gospel they get offended and just walk away from the church that is what gives rise to issues like this.

We need to know that pastors and counselors are exegetical escorts, they usher is into the presence of God and the process of transformation is done by the Holy Spirit. This is just my thought. Thank you and good night family

PD: Exegetical escorts, hedonism … Hmmmm … next time somebody calls me out on speaking big big grammar, I will fine the person o.

PD: I don’t get this part … there was something about Pharisees and Jesus eating with sinners and applying to this woman’s case.

I believe there is an honest misunderstanding and consequently, misappropriation of the “Jesus eating with sinners” line. Jesus did indeed eat with sinners and his ever clear focus was to restore them to the father. He didn’t go after their errors instead he focused on restoration.

But the scenario presented, which we are discussing, is not about a sinner but a saint. A saint in error but a saint nonetheless. The protocols are different for an erring family member, which we have touched severally. In the spirit of humility, being very conscious of our own fallibility, we should lift up the fallen. While the protocol could also involve tough love and sharp rebukes and some harsh looking actions including kicking guys out or handing them over to the devil (gengeun … I don enter!) the focus is the same, restoration.

Calling an error an error is not why the Pharisees irritated Jesus, it was their hypocrisy. Calling out a brother in error for his error does not mean I am not mindful of the errors in my past. There are some errors in my past that, had someone not called me out on it, I might not be here today. If we say only those who have an untarnished record should speak out against wrong, then there would be nothing like correction.

There is a serious duty that Jesus placed on the shoulders of church leaders for which they will give account so it’s not beans or a matter they should treat lightly or that we should castigate them for.

Jn 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Rom 13:5 Wherefore [ye] must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

 

It behooves us, then, to pray for our leaders that they will always work righteousness in the hearts of the church.

Some of us might remember this song by Reverend Milton Brunson and the Thompson Community Singers

 

You gave me my hands to reach out to man

To show him Your love and Your perfect plan

You gave me my ears, I can hear Your voice so clear

I can hear the cries of sinners

But can I wipe away their tears?

 

You gave me my voice to speak Your Word

To sing all Your praises to those who never heard

But with my eyes I can see a need for more availability

I’ve seen the hearts that have been broken

So many people to be free

 

Lord, I’m available to You

My will I give to You

I’ll do what You say do

Use me Lord to show someone the way and enable me to say…

My storage is empty and I am available to You

 

Now I’m giving back to You all the tools You gave to me

My hands, my ears, my voice, my eyes

So You can use me as You please

I have emptied out my cup so that You can fill it up

Now I’m free, I just want to be more available to You

 

Lord, I’m available to You

My will I give to You

I’ll do what You say do

Use me Lord to show someone the way and enable me to say…

My storage is empty and I am available to You

 

The End.

There is another group whose contribution I would still like to share but for now, in case you missed previous parts of this one

Part 1: pdlionunlimited.wordpress.com/2017/08/02/the-test-tube-single-but-pregnant-qa-pt-1/

Part 2: pdlionunlimited.wordpress.com/?p=1507

 

The Test Tube – Single But Pregnant: Part 2

Continued from Part 1: pdlionunlimited.wordpress.com/2017/08/02/the-test-tube-single-but-pregnant-qa-pt-1/

Sperm bank

HM: This is a really weighty mata. If the lady was standing in front of Jesus, what do you think Jesus would do? Or say?

 

Po: He will tell her that her sins are forgiven (when he hadn’t died) but today he would say my love is sufficient for you.

The difference between the 2 cases (adulterous case and the insemination case) is that d first case is a well known/understood sinful act while the latter is still, to many, as undefined.

 

HM: But I say, walk habitually in the [Holy] Spirit [seek Him and be responsive to His guidance], and then you will certainly not carry out the desire of the sinful nature [which responds impulsively without regard for God and His precepts]. For the sinful nature has its desire which is opposed to the Spirit, and the [desire of the] Spirit opposes the sinful nature; for these [two, the sinful nature and the Spirit] are in direct opposition to each other [continually in conflict], so that you [as believers] do not [always] do whatever [good things] you want to do.

GALATIANS 5:16-17 AMP

 

Hon: My thoughts on this issue but not so detailed.😁

We must remember this isn’t Pre-insemination counselling but post. Now our sister is expecting and we should be there for her. Also, we should help her see that she can trust God for a good man. It was this lack of assurance that drove her into taking this decision in the 1st place. So, we must help rather than condemn her and establish her heart in the grace of our Lord Jesus.

 

PD: Has she shown any repentance? Cos going by this line of thought, we should not bother whether she is sorry or not, we should just be there for her. Is this what you’re saying?

Po: Has what she did been accepted as wrong by her. If she sees it as good then don’t expect repentance .

PD: Then if she is unrepentant, should her church be providing her support?

Doing so, what does that tell us? Go and commit sin and come back feeling cool with yourself, we will support you. Commit Grand Theft Auto, Rob a bank, Snatch someone’s husband, do any manner of wrong, we are the church we must support you.

We are comparing her with the woman who was brought to Jesus whereas that woman clearly knew she was in error. She might have felt bound by her lifestyle but she knew it was wrong. She didn’t argue with her accusers, she was ready to die. The love reached out to her by Jesus was pardon for recognized sin and grace to break the hold and she grabbed it.

Remember the prodigal son? The father was waiting for him but the boy had to come to his senses and take a step homeward.

I probably sound harsh and heartless and unloving and un-everything but I will go by what wisdom the scriptures show and not by the emotional, sympathetic or circumstantial issues surrounding it.

On the other hand, there are “halfway houses” run by Christians whose ministry is in reaching out to folks with such and similar issues like unwanted pregnant girls or drug addicts and prostitutes. She should go there. She will not be condemned but she will be supported while they counsel with a target of repentance so she can receive help from God on a larger scale.

She is pregnant, yes. Sympathy always goes to pregnant woman. But that is not the basis of church government.

I am reminded of one New York Single Lady Pastor who was pregnant outside marriage. In her video I watched, she was not saying anything about apologizing for her actions or repentance. Instead she was saying many male men of God engage in similar actions and go scot free because they do not get pregnant and no one is the wiser. She went ahead to say she refuses shame, guilt and condemnation and she is proud of her pregnancy or baby or something like that. The congregation greeted her with applause.

I remember someone saying the woman is living in delusion.

We have to remember, God is God. He is not a product of a consensus and his judgements are not based on public opinions or sympathy for the unborn, in spite of how precious they are to him … far more precious than they could ever be to us. He himself binds himself by and to His word. He will not change His mind because of an endangered minority group.

That being said, I feel for the woman. I feel sorry for her. I wish she hadn’t chosen that path but she has. If she seeks my help, I will give it based on her showing any sign of remorse. The help she needs is for the salvation of her soul, above all else because, friends, Satan is not done with her yet. There is more ahead.

The scriptures cannot be broken.

Chi: My take on the matter is this. I believe a mind that has come to a total resolve cannot be swayed by talks. I believe she knew what she wanted and she knew that the body of Christ might not understand (her way) oooh. Hence she decided to take the action and damn the consequences.

If the single lady is in position of authority (i.e. a leader of a group etc) then I think she should be first relieved of her responsibilities and then counseled. Paul said all things are lawful but not all are expedient. Her action will only send a vibe that it’s OK to do this. She should be counseled and d root of the matter has got to be identified and this must be done in LOVE and no judgement. No one should make her feel inferior but in love her mistake is to be corrected.

If she is not in a place of authority then d leaders of the church should constantly place her on d altar of prayer. That the word that will save her soul will get to her one way or anoda and should also be reached out to in love.

I’ve said it before and I will say it again. There are different measures of faith and is as we daily apply ourselves to this that we grow. We Christians make a mistake by ALWAYS being very JUDGEMENTAL and at the end instead of the problem to be solved it ends up being worsened and d person backslides.

Let us pray for one another honestly. I might not open up to my pastors in church but I can open up to PD lol. Not because I don’t trust them in church but because I know that PD has got my back on d past and trust that he is seasoned in God’s word to help me find a way out through the leadings of the Holy Ghost.  ( nb: This is just an example ooh😜😜)

Anyway back to the matter she needs love … Both Tough and Emotional Love.

Glo: Will a single lady who opted for adoption be relieved of her responsibility as a leader in church?

PD: There is nothing wrong with counseling her to be strong to wait for God who doesn’t disappoint. No matter how late she gets married, nothing is impossible for God if she believes. … if she believes.

However, if she thinks she doesn’t have the faith for it, she should know that whatever human means she takes to “solve” her problems will, like every human treatment, have side effects and sometimes complications. Only God can give a blessing that has no sorrow with it.

I have heard testimonies of women over 50 who got married for the first time in their lives, men too.

I have counseled a number of women who felt life was passing them by without as much as a second glance. Some were just about ready to accept advances from unbelievers while some were just broken. They are all married now, after waiting just a little longer, this time, trusting God rather than looking at their unfortunate circumstances.

Lee: Awesome!!!!

Women need to be told this. My 50yr old aunt recently married, and she’s happy. Another 45yr old aunt too. People need encouragement. Unfortunately our environment and people make it seem like your in competition with ALL your peers.

 

The discussion continues in Part 3: pdlionunlimited.wordpress.com/?p=1522

The Test Tube – Single but Pregnant: Q&A PT 1

 

Hello friends and readers,

There’s this post that’s circulating Whatsapp discussion platforms about a single Christian lady who opted for artificial insemination. Some firends and I discussed it … heated discussion it was and I decided  to leave it there. but the same post has shown up on a few other platfroms I’m on and even in multiple private messages.

So I decided to capture the crux of the discussion from two separate groups but because of their volume, I have had to edit for focus and I have spilt it into a number of parts.

As always, no real identities have been included.

Enjoy.

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Matt: Please, I need people to sincerely think with me, what is to be done in such a case if it were to happen under our lead…? Please how do you adjudge this situation:

 

“A sister in a church in the abroad, who is known to be a known single sister suddenly began to develop big stomach. Investigation revealed she is pregnant. Disciplinary committee set up adjudged the situation as a consequent result of her fornication. 

She was asked to speak in her own defence as this matter is clear cut simple. Single sister not engaged or married but pregnant, the Bible has a template for judging this matter.

She spoke up. I didn’t sleep with any man. I did not commit fornication. I did not have sex. I went to the sperm bank and got artificial insemination. I chose the specification of the kind of seed I wanted and I paid and I got it. I am advanced in age, and I need a child, and I can’t keep waiting for a man that I don’t know when he will come.

The committee looked on.

They are still looking on till now.

Please help Committee.”

Jay: 👀

 

Matt: Peole dey invent ways of doing things ooo… Shuo… See science

Jay, you dey surprise?

Vicki: They should ask the lady what is God’s word to her about this. If she can’t answer, then counselling unit is over to you. But if she argued that it was God that ask her to go ahead, then we need to watch her

Favi: This one hard me oh!

Obi: This is ridiculous … I surprise pass Jay.

Ani: She has done wrong o … by limiting God’s ability of giving her a husband to have a child through a natural method cos every good n perfect gifts comes From God and Children are heritage from God. She should be disciplined and God can still forgive her. She should amend her ways like Abraham impregnating his female servant but God’s plans still came to pass in his life.

Po: She committed artificial fornication.

Obi: From the religious angle she has doubted God and His ability and then should ask for forgiveness. From the societal angle what we should tell the society, when the child grows up who would she point to be the father of the child, how will she explain to people what she did

Jay: Well, Let’s not be too quick to cast stones; let’s observe.

Obi: Not really PJ we are not o, it’s dicey

Obi: At the end we have not helped the counseling unit to solve this issue. What do you think should be done to the sister, how would this case be handled?

Gracey: It takes a village to raise a child. They should become her village.

Po: I’m finding it difficult to put my comment in letters. 😐😐

I know that everything is not discipline /punishment matter. The counseling unit should pray with and for her because this topic may not exactly be in the bible for us to refer to.

We are judging the act and not the actor.

Gracey: I am reminded of Jesus and the woman that committed adultery and was to be stoned to death. Remember, Jesus after her accusers had left, he told the woman he didn’t condemn her and she should go sin no more.

Most counseling units these days are sorry to say, glorified firing squad.

In this case, this woman needs support more than ever before. Pregnancy is hard on its own. The counseling department should be rallying around her. There should be brethren checking on her, accompanying her to appointments, helping with various tasks. Society will already look down on her at this point as a woman that is having a child out of wedlock. She shouldn’t feel that same condemnation in the body of Christ which is her family.

There should be a plan in place for when the baby is born, support in the hospital, the days after the baby comes home. The women should be taking turns helping out. Even the men. Every woman who has had an infant know that although babies are bundles of joy but they are enemies of sleep and sanity.

The counseling unit can take the place of a father to that child (if the woman doesn’t know her sperm and or he isn’t in the picture). There are children that are fatherless and have lived great lives because Men stepped in to raise them.  A child doesn’t necessarily have to be your biological child for you to raise them or have a positive impact in their lives. That’s the role of the church. They should be stepping in to raise this child.

Sometimes, a teaching moment comes from portraying the love and kindness of Christ.

 

Matt: Very true… Love must be the real deal

Cool: What if she had adopted instead of inseminated ? 😳

Lee: No be the same thing oh! Yes. She went about it the wrong order. But then, what if she had adopted a child? 🤔

Guess the counselling theme is afraid of appearing to ‘Endorse’ indiscipline

Po: Environmental traditions play a part in counseling sessions, what applies in India may be very different from that in Germany etc.

Lee: True that

PD: The word is the same.

 

Po: Jesus was sweet even in correction /rebuke of deeds and lifestyle.

The woman at the well that Jesus told her about d plenty husbands she has had and the current one she is with yet he wasn’t after condemning her instead he wanted to show her a better way.

Because he didn’t sound harsh didn’t mean he was happy with her life choices

Romans  14:12

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.

14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

 

PD: Jesus was not always sweet o. Ask those guys he chased out of church with koboko. The defining factor is to do the will of the father, even if you seem harsh.

 

PD: There was a woman caught in a sexual sin. Jesus found her guilty just like everyone else but gave her a chance to repent unlike everyone else.

Where mercy is available, repentance is possible and where repentance is noted then support should be given.

This is the principle in the scriptures as seen in the above example as well as in the account of the Corinthian church.

Question is has she sinned? Has she done wrong?

Going by the fact that she didn’t bother to seek counsel of the church before going for artificial insemination, it means she knew the church would not stand for it. That itself indicates she knew her decision was questionable. Just like her, many of us have done stuff that we weren’t sure were outright wrong but we knew were questionable and we should have asked questions. In that wise, we were wrong. So is this woman. If however you do not care about our counsel before taking a step, should you vilify us for not supporting your decision? No.

If you know to do good and fail to do it, it has become a sin in you. James 4:17

Again, did she sin?

The word formication is not limited to premarital sex, as many think. It refers to all forms of misuse and abuse of our sexual powers including lookery, thinkery and touchery as well as entry. That is why Jesus said lookery is as much sin as entry.

The right to sex is the foundation for the right to procreation … mind you, the right. There are those who cannot exercise the right due to one or two things but that is another matter. God did give us the power to make new human beings but did not give us the power to do so in isolation. You have to involve another person.

In-vitro fertilization, artificial insemination, surrogacy and some other more advanced scientific methods for ensuring conception and/or procreation were all initially designed to help struggling married couples fulfill a particular dream but just like everything man does, it starts out well intended and argued until it is accepted but once implemented it gets twisted along the way. Condoms, for example, were initially designed for birth control but we then found a benefit in infection control and now it is being used freely to prevent conception and infection outside marriage. Unfortunately, it doesn’t prevent formication. So, artificial insemination itself was well intended but we now have folks misusing and abusing it. God is judge.

This woman went to a sperm bank and picked sperm from a man who willingly donated ahead of the occasion so it is with his consent, although by proxy, that this woman has recruited him to have a child outside marriage. This is abuse of their powers. They are thus illegitimate parents.

Did this woman have sex with anyone, definitely not. Did she abuse her sexual powers? Definitely yes. How God will judge them I don’t know but is this wrong? Yes. So if it is wrong, as a church leader where this woman is a member, I am duty bound to act in the interest of the whole church. Her action is personal but the repercussions will travel across the entire church.

What is her wrong? Not artificial insemination, not unbelief or desperation but for choosing to be a biological parent outside marriage.

I would investigate to ascertain that she did use the services of the sperm bank.

If she is a leader, I will step her down. She will serve whatever punishment the church has decided. I won’t kick her out of church but the church will know she was in error. If she apologises, she will serve her punishment but I won’t reinstate her to leadership office. Apology and repentance are not synonymous but her apology is necessary for human government and administration. Repentance is between her and the only person who can tell the state of her heart, God.

I will not support someone who is unrepentant after taking a stand that compromises the church.

If anyone feels the pressure to be a parent, he should get married first. If you can’t wait for love to find you, then pursue and arranged marriage … you might be fortunate to find love along the way but be sure you’re more likely to find respect only. If you’re eager to have someone to care for, then adopt.

This is my stand and my counsel.

Po: Epistolic Anointing.

Matt: Wow… Tnx alot sir

Faith: #WORD. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

 

The discussion continues in part 2:  pdlionunlimited.wordpress.com/?p=1507

Rhythms of the Heart

Hello friends.

I had a discussion … (I seem to have a lot of those, right?)

Tomorrow is Thanksgiving Sunday at my church, perhaps at yours too.

The contents of this discussion might make a difference in your heart and service tomorrow, and hopefully for all the numerous tomorrows to follow.

Once again, the identity of the person has been hidden but the conversation preserved.
Enjoy!

​Ez: Please Sir, what’s your take on praise as a veritable tool to fight the enemy (the devil and his agents)?

PD: God dwells in the praises of His People.

Let God arise and His enemies be scattered.

Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

These are direct lifts of scriptures. Praise as a weapon is a matter of fact.

The issue, however, is that, though we often sing songs and dance, we rarely praise God. There is a difference between enjoying good music and actual praise.

“Let us praise Him in the dance.”

Also another verse of scripture.

It means it is quite possible to not praise Him in the dance.

Ez: sir.

When could it be said that one is actually praising God?

PD: Like every thing else with God, the heart of the matter is the matter of the heart.

Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near [me] with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men.

It is what’s going on in your heart that’s really happening in the realm of the spirit. Mere words and outward actions amount to nothing unless one engages his heart.

Can you drive?

Ez: No sir.

PD: OK. Do you know about cars and driving?

Ez: A little

PD: You know the role the gear plays?

Ez: Yes sir

PD: What’s the role?

Ez: It engages the car for motion

PD: Correct.

So, no matter how powerful the car’s engine is, and no matter how hard you press down on the accelerator and how high the revometer goes and how loud the engine is sounding, if you do not engage the gear, there would be no motion.

Ez: Precisely.

PD: Now, imagine a car with the gear on neutral on a downhill slope; the car would be seen to be moving, right?

Ez: Yes

PD: And because the engine is making an audible sound and the driver is turn the steering wheel and using the pedals, it would seem he is driving a working car. Whereas he is just going with the flow, with the pull of gravity.

It is when the effect of gravity wears off or when the driver now wants to go uphill that it would be obvious the engine was not engaged all the while.

Ez: Hmmmm! This is deep

I stand to be corrected, sir

PD: 😯

What are you correcting?

Ez: Nothing sir.

PD: 😁

Ez: I am only trying to give you a feedback to know if I am following, Sir

PD: Funny guy.

Anyway, it’s the same with praise. We mostly just flow with the gravity of the music without engaging the heart. 

All the benefits and warfare and victory that come on the wings of praise are actually side effects.

Real praise originates from the heart; it requires the heart.

Bible says “making melody in your hearts unto the Lord”.

If real praise is offered, results follow naturally.

Ez: Since praise is God’s due right, it’s rendering is not conditional on our own part. Right?

PD: Yeah, praise is God’s due. We have to give it unconditionally. But you know, we won’t be able to do it unconditionally unless we know what it is.

Ez: Secondly, the analogy of the downhill can be likened to a easy cruise and at such we just render praise carelessly without our heart in it. After all everything is good and nice.

PD: Exactly.

Ez: But the uphill comes as a reality check that makes us realize that what is and what is not.

For those of us who have been flowing with mere rhythms and rhymes, we no longer see the good in God. But for those praising with the heart, it is firing all the way in spite of the uphill circumstances. Right?

PD: Exactly.

So the question how do we go from lazy cruise to power drive … is how do we engage the heart?

Ez: Doing what we do with real understanding i.e an understanding of what praise is and what it does.

Ez: Right Sir?

PD: Yes.

Although, what praise does is not up to us and knowing that only helps us to know what to expect, knowing what praise really is and how to do it right is critical and totally up to us.

The Hebrew language uses word pictures or concepts to communicate a lot of times and use many words to express subtle shades of difference in meaning so in the example of praise, there are a number of words. But these words our translated inconsistently, I guess based on context, as Thanksgiving, Praise and Worship, and thus we use them interchangeably.

Although the three words are used interchangeably, they are slightly different. And since they are translated from the same 8 Hebrew words, the implication in reality is that they are interwoven and lead to one another.

Ez: 🤔

PD: I used to have an image somewhere that depicts this.

Lemme see if I can find it.

Ez: Ok

PD: I can’t find it. Let me just sketch it up for you.

Ez: Alright Sir

PD: Sorry it took so long. Photoshop takes longer on this type of work than Corel draw and I don’t have Corel on my system right now.

I hope it’s clear enough.

Ez: Very clear Sir.

PD: Great.

So, the three concepts lead one to another. No matter where you enter, you wind up going through them all.

The important thing is that the heart is involved.

Let me give you the definitions that God gave me and have helped me engage my heart each time.

Thanksgiving is the heart felt response to the generosity of God.

Praise is the heart felt response to the capacity of God.

Worship is the heart felt response to the personality of God.

Example:

God saw to it that I slept peacefully and woke up this morning. He has been good to me. I am grateful. My heart response is gratitude for his generosity towards me. What comes out of my heart is Thanksgiving. It is independent of the song I sing or the tempo or whether I dance or not.

Then, 

God saw to it that 7.2 billion persons on the earth slept peacefully and woke up this morning. He has been good to this many people at once. I am awed!  My heart response is respect for his capacity to be good towards so many people all at once without getting tired or needing help. I’m thinking “wow!” What comes out of my heart is Praise. It is independent of the song I sing or the tempo or whether I dance or not.

Finally,

God saw to it that 7.2 billion persons on the earth slept peacefully and woke up this morning, whether they are good or bad. He has been good to this many people at consistently for as long as He has been God without waiting for them to love him or even thank Him. He does this because of His personality or character. I am captivated and fascinated by His person!  My heart response is love for His personality;  to be good towards so all people, all the time, for all time. I’m thinking God is a lovely person. What comes out of my heart is Worship. It is independent of the song I sing or the tempo or whether I dance or not.

Thanksgiving says thank you; Praise says I respect you, you are powerful and great; Worship says I love you, you are just wonderfully irresistible.

The connection is me … my heart.

There is no way I will thank God from my heart without winding up praising Him and Worshiping Him.

If my heart is involved in my worship, I will remember His kindness to me and Thanksgiving will pour out.

On and on the triangle keeps flowing back and forth.

I hope you get this so far.

Ez: Yea Sir

PD: So, all we need to do is think well about what we are saying and not be absent minded or carried away by the activities around us.

I remember when I was music director, some years back. Service was one, music was on, the worship leader was up on stage, the rest of the music team was executing the various assigned tasks and I was overseeing. 

Then God spoke to me, “what are you doing?” And I said in my heart, I’m making sure things are running smoothly and keeping all the moving pieces together and making sure folks get to worship without interruptions. Then he said, “What about you? Won’t you worship?”

I was singing along but my heart was not in it. I was busy watching and ensuring others worshipped God but I left myself out.

I immediately dropped all I was doing, closed my eyes, opened my heart and thought of the lyrics of the song at that time and I joined the church in worshipping Jesus.

It’s very easy to be in the business of church music and dance without actually connecting to heaven.

Ez: Very true

PD: So, I believe we have tackled your question?

Ez: Thank you sir

PD: You’re welcome.

Ez: Sometimes I wish I can host you.

PD: 😁

Questions on my plate. 

Hello friends.
There was this article about cold tea causing heart attacks that went round the Internet some time. I responded to it and thought I had silenced in my circle of friends. Alas, it came back bigger and badder. It now includes a gist about fruits causing all manner of stuff.

If you haven’t seen the post, here it is:

Eating Fruit on Empty Stomach

This will open your eyes ! Read to the end; and then, send it to others on your list as I just did to u!

Dr Stephen Mak treats terminal ill cancer patients by an “un-orthodox” way and many patients recovered.

Before he used solar energy to clear the illnesses of his patients, he believes on natural healing in the body against illnesses. See his article below.

It is one of the strategies to heal cancer. As of late, my success rate in curing cancer is about 80%.

Cancer patients shouldn’t die. The cure for cancer is already found – it’s in the way we eat fruits.

It is whether you believe it or not.

I am sorry for the hundreds of cancer patients who die under the conventional treatments.

EATING FRUIT

We all think eating fruits means just buying fruits, cutting it and just popping it into our mouths.

It’s not as easy as you think. It’s important to know how and when to eat the fruits.

What is the correct way of eating fruits?

IT MEANS NOT EATING FRUITS AFTER YOUR MEALS!

FRUITS SHOULD BE EATEN ON AN EMPTY STOMACH

If you eat fruits on empty stomach, it will play a major role to detoxify your system, supplying you with a great deal of energy for weight loss and other life activities.

FRUIT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FOOD.

Let’s say you eat two slices of bread and then a slice of fruit.

The slice of fruit is ready to go straight through the stomach into the intestines, but it is prevented from doing so due to the bread taken before the fruit.

In the meantime the whole meal of bread & fruit rots and ferments and turns to acid.

The minute the fruit comes into contact with the food in the stomach and digestive juices, the entire mass of food begins to spoil.

So please eat your fruits on an empty stomach or before your meals !

You have heard people complaining :

Every time I eat watermelon I burp, when I eat durian my stomach bloats up, when I eat a banana I feel like running to the toilet, etc.. etc..

Actually all this will not arise if you eat the fruit on _an empty stomach._

The fruit mixes with the putrefying of other food and produces gas and hence you will bloat !

Greying hair, balding, nervous outburst and dark circles under the eyes all these will NO happen if you take fruits on an empty stomach.

There is no such thing as some fruits, like orange and lemon are acidic, because all fruits become alkaline in our body, according to Dr. Herbert Shelton who did research on this matter.

If you have mastered the correct way of eating fruits, you have the SECRET of beauty, longevity, health, energy, happiness and normal weight.

When you need to drink fruit juice – drink only fresh fruit juice, NOT from the cans, packs or bottles.

Don’t even drink juice that has been heated up.

Don’t eat cooked fruits because you don’t get the nutrients at all.

You only get its taste.
Cooking destroys all the vitamins.

But eating a whole fruit is better than drinking the juice.

If you should drink the fresh fruit juice, drink it mouthful by mouthful slowly, because you must let it mix with your saliva before swallowing it.

You can go on a 3-day fruit fast to cleanse or detoxify your body.

Just eat fruits and drink fresh fruit juice throughout the 3 days.

And you will be surprised when your friends tell you how radiant you look !
KIWI fruit:
Tiny but mighty.
This is a good source of potassium, magnesium, vitamin E & fiber. Its vitamin C content is twice that of an orange.

APPLE:
An apple a day keeps the doctor away?
Although an apple has a low vitamin C content, it has antioxidants & flavonoids which enhances the activity of vitamin C thereby _helping to lower the risks of colon cancer, heart attack & stroke._

STRAWBERRY:
Protective Fruit.
Strawberries have the highest total antioxidant power among major fruits & protect the body from cancer-causing, blood vessel-clogging and free radicals.

ORANGE :
Sweetest medicine.
Taking 2-4 oranges a day may _help keep colds away, lower cholesterol, prevent & dissolve kidney stones as well as lessens the risk of colon cancer._

WATERMELON:
Coolest thirst quencher. Composed of 92% water, it is also packed with a giant dose of glutathione, which _helps boost our immune system._

They are also a key source of lycopene the cancer fighting oxidant.
Other nutrients found in watermelon are vitamin C & Potassium.

GUAVA & PAPAYA:
Top awards for vitamin C. They are the clear winners for their high vitamin C content.

Guava is also rich in fiber, which helps prevent constipation.

Papaya is rich in carotene; this is good for your eyes.
DRINKING  COLD WATER  or DRINKS  AFTER A MEAL = CANCER

Can you believe this ?

For those who like to drink cold water or cold drinks, this article is applicable to you.

It is nice to have a cup of cold water or cold drinks after a meal.

However, the cold water or drinks will solidify the oily stuff that you have just eaten.

It will slow down the digestion.

Once this ‘sludge’ reacts with the acid, it will break down and be absorbed by the intestine faster than the solid food.

It will line the intestine.

Very soon, this will turn into FATS and lead to CANCER !

It is best to drink hot soup or warm water after a meal.

Let’s be careful and be aware. The more we know the better chance we could survive.

A cardiologist says:
if everyone who gets this mail sends it to 10 people, you can be sure that we’ll save at least one life.

So lets do it.
-End-

PHEEEW! SORRY FOR THE LONG READ GUYS had to make sure that whole article came in. 

Okay now.
As I mentioned before, the post has two parts. The first part about fruits is addressed on a fun but enriching platform of friends I belong to.

I have harvested a discussion on the post from another platform.

The second part, which is about cold drinks and heart attacks and the Chinese people, is addressed by an article on my blog, as I mentioned earlier. I have added the link at the end of the discussion on fruits.

Enjoy.

Dr Linda: Well I know the part Abt… Fruit getting mixed with the food=acid is not quite true sha;)
Dr Daniel: The only part of this post I can readily say is true I the portion that details to benefits of the various fruits like Kiwi, Watermelon and so on. 

But… Food rotting in the stomach? 😒Na carpenter design the human body?

Sunny: Jesus was a carpenter naa.

IJ: Suuuuuunnnyyyy!

Dr Daniel: Gerrarahere meeeeehn!

Dr Linda: With your knowledge of biology and digestion, does food rot in our system?

Dr Daniel: No matter what you eat and how you eat it, it will spend 3-4 hours in the stomach before moving into the intestines, even the fruits. The only thing that gets absorbed before this time line are some sugars, from whatever source. That’s why we use glucose-D, Lucosade boost, soft drinks or plain table sugar to rescue people who fall into hypoglycaemia, especially diabetics.

Acid is secreted by the walls of the stomach not by food in our stomach.

Dr Linda: See, God created our body to detoxify itself. In fact, that is the major work of the liver.

Dr Linda: It is good to eat fruits cos there are some vitamins you can only get in them

Michael: OK…

Dr Linda: The liver has problems detoxifying the body when it is diseased.

Michael: Hmmmmm

Dr Daniel: Yes. That’s true

Dr Linda: Like I said few days ago, always check the source. Some people bring out some funny researches just to convince people to either buy their drugs or adopt their way of life.

The reason you feel like using the toilet after fruits is cos most have fibres called roughages which helps the movement of the intestine which is why fruits are used to treat constipation.

Dr Daniel: All this detoxification we peddle is not true naa. The liver and kidneys handle the toxins our bodies encounter, not the intestines. In fact, the intestines create toxins of their own when fecal matter overstay due to the activities of naturally occurring bacteria. If you don’t do “number two regularly”, you might notice you have frequent headaches; yhose toxins are partly responsible.

I agree that if you lay off food for a while and take only water, you will feel lighter and that light feeling comes with a sense of well being.

But if you continue like that, you will build up dangerous toxins that even the liver struggles with as the body starts breaking down muscle after it has exhausted the fat in your body.

Dr Linda: Go eat lime or lemon on empty stomach, you go hear am.

Fejiro: The level of quackery on the internet is staggering. And it is sad that so many people fall victim to this nonsense.

Dr Daniel: The good old magic of taking balanced diet doesn’t fail. Take all you need in the right proportions and you would be fine.

There are some, sake of their health, are placed on a fruit-major diet for some time.

I know we are to love our neighbours as we love ourselves but let’s stop taking panadol for another person’s headache. If you have not been placed on a fruit diet as part of a treatment protocol for a present disease, don’t adopt it as a lifestyle because you heard it treats a disease you don’t have!

IJ: ha ha ha ha

Dr Daniel: Abeg o, there is a much established connection between acids and ulcers so if you make a habit of taking acidic fruits like the citrus family of oranges, lemon, lime, on an empty stomach, you’re dieting your way to peptic ulcer disease o. There is a reason those fruits have a slight bitter taste…. That’s the acid warning.

Once someone claims they have 80% cure rate in cancers…. me eyes start twitching ;). Only God can boast of that and be correct.

Uche: Chaiiiiiii! I don go spend my last N500 go buy fruits o. Wetin make I do naa?

Michael: Give it to me.

Dr Linda: Sell it to others who read this post for N2000. You go just hammer.

IJ: Ha ha ha ha

Dr Daniel: Buying the fruits is good. Make it a regular part of your diet. Nothing wrong with that.

Dr Linda: Who is this doc sef? “Drinking cold water after a meal causes cancer?” Hian!

Dr Daniel: Once in a while, try fruit salads as part of your meal.

Dr Linda: There is also this new weight loss rave that is going on now called ketone diet . Pls read this article before you try anything.

http://www.healthline.com/health/type-2-diabetes/facts-ketones

Dr Daniel: How many times will this cold water causes cancer gist circulate.

The sad part is some of us will believe all these “dem say” kind of talk and start working with them but when a trained doctor mentions anything we start binding the doctor as if na devil in white coat.

Who is this cardiologist they keep quoting at the end of these toxic posts?

Michael: Na aloe vera doctor joor.

Dr Linda: Google his name to even know who he is. http://peterblakeboroughsblog.blogspot.com.ng/2012/09/dr-stephen-mak-fraud.html?m=1

He is being called a fraud.

I decided to copy the article for us just in case we can’t access the link.

“Who, and where, is Dr Stephen Mak?

In my search for the elusive Dr Stephen Mak, the nearest I was able to get to him was a Dr Stephen Mark, a psychiatrist in Waco, Texas who has a clean record with his patients and the authorities. He probably wastes a good part of his day explaining to people that he is a Mark rather than a Mak.

Mak only Googles in connection with the above so-called cures and advice. It would be safe to conclude that if he exists at all (and he possibly does under another name) he is probably making a lot of money from gullible people before they die.

If anyone has any positive proof that Dr Stephen Mak is a real person, please post your evidence in the comment space below.”

Dr Daniel: And as many as are led by the Internet, they are the sons of… 🤔

Faith:… Sons of the Internet.

IJ: 😂😂😂

-end-

For the blog post that attends the second part, please use this link:

Heart Attacks, Hot Water and the Oriental Tea Tradition. – http://wp.me/p6rlMY-b6

Cheers.

TITHES AND THE NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN… Conclusion

So, after all the foregoing, what do I have to say?


1. The tithe is God’s.
2. Tithing is God’s idea.
3. Tithing predates the Law of Moses, even Abraham, and so cannot be said to have passed away with The Law since it didn’t come with The Law. By the way, Hebrews 7 shows that Melchizedeck, who I think represents Jesus Christ, is still receiving tithes. So tithing is still in effect.
4. The Law is good in that it shows us what is right and wrong. We who live in the era of grace have the power to fulfill the law by living above it and doing what is right irrespective of the Law.
5. Paying or giving the tithe is necessary to enjoy the blessing you have. It is not optional or up to how you feel about it.
6. There are three different types of tithes: the tithes to the church and/or pastor, the love feasts and seeds, and the ministry to the less privileged. None is superior to another and none cancels out another.
7. The tithe under scrutiny is “the tithe to the church or pastor”. It is to be paid in the spiritual house where you are being ministered to and cared for.
8. A child of God cannot become cursed because he didn’t do any particular thing but he will struggle if he doesn’t do his part of the covenant he has with God and that is not a blessing but a curse.
9. Joy is a necessary part of all giving. It is better not to give than to give without rejoicing but it is best to find joy in all your giving. However, you already have joy in you as a fruit of your spirit, so give if the cause is right whether you are being compelled or not.

I encourage you, in spite of all I have written here, to search the scriptures for yourself with an open mind and learn the will of God concerning this matter and every other matter in the kingdom. I trust the teaching Spirit to show you the way.
Again, if you have questions requesting clarification, send me a private message. I will consider any thing in the comments as just that and I may not respond to them.
Thank you and stay blessed.

For part 6, http://wp.me/p6rlMY-1O

Part 1, http://wp.me/p6rlMY-1E

TITHES AND THE NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN… 6

Of Father Abraham and the origin of Tithes. 

In the English Bible, Abraham was the first person to be associated with the concept of tithes because it says in Genesis 14:20, “and Abram gave him tithes of all”.
I suspect that the idea of tithe was not Abraham’s but God’s else why would God sign into His law what was a fallen man’s idea? Just as God asked Abram to sacrifice Isaac, He could have asked Abram to offer the tithes to Melchizedek.

I find it interesting that the next thing that happened after Abram tithed was financial wealth in a life altering magnitude, though the man turned it down in favour of a better reward (Genesis 15). So it wasn’t Prophet Malachi’s declaration that made it a channel of “blessing”, it was already so since before Abram or else it wouldn’t have worked for Abram either.

In fact, I think Abraham was not the first person to bring tithes. If we look at Genesis 4, we’ll find Abel bringing a firstling of his flock and, in addition, portions of the fat. Now from the aforegoing scriptures, we see that the firstlings were the tithes on livestock. Exodus 22: 29-30; 29:13, 22-25, Leviticus 1:8; Levitcus Chapters 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 17, Numbers 18:17 all show “the fat” to be an offering to God. So essentially, Abel brought in tithes and offerings to God. If we look at Cain’s gift, we see he brought in “the fruit of the ground”. He didn’t bring in the “first fruits” which would have amounted to tithes of crops but what he brought is shown in other scriptures already considered to be offerings.
And so we see that God respected Abel and respected his gift probably because he brought in all he was expected to bring. And to Cain he had no respect for which Cain was embittered and what did God say to him, “If you had done well”. He said in James 4:17 “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. “
That means Cain knew what was well but didn’t do it and he knew why God didn’t respect him at that point. And what was Cain’s life like after this, rather than repent and be the master over sin, he strayed further and further away from the covering of blessing till his life became a curse. Check well, God did not curse Cain. God informed Cain that the earth was cursing him. And in verse 15, God showed His mercy again by setting a mark on Cain to prevent him from being killed by anyone.
Now why did God show pleasure and displeasure over the “tithe” if He wasn’t expecting it, if it wasn’t His own to claim? God is not unjust to expect from you what you do not know to do. It is He who said “to whom much is given, much shall be required”.
I suspect Adam taught his boys what to do and I suspect God told Adam what to do on this matter after he was relocated outside the garden. I maintain that it was not man’s idea. The best idea that Adam came up with on his own after the fall was to cover himself with leaves. Leaves would cover him for some time and then wither and fall off making another set of leaves necessary; typical man’s idea – temporary. Leaves could not have kept him warm. But when God got involved again, God introduced fur coats or at least leather coats which would last a long time and provide warmth.
I believe God introduced the tithes and offerings as channels so that the man He made in His own image could still experience His blessing on a cursed earth. And all this took place before the Law of Moses.

Concerning the tithes, summarily, I see from the scriptures available to us, that there were three types of tithes described in the Old Testament, viz,
The regular tithes on the income (i.e. crops and livestock) which must be taken to the place of worship.
The annual tithe which the giver was to partake of alongside his family and his Levites and priests which should be taken to the place of worship so that the Levites and priests can have their share.
And the three yearly tithe which was meant for the Levites and the less privileged in their society and should be done from their various homes.

Each one commemorated various things but as we can see, the Priests and Levites were never left out of any of them. Where the confusion might arise is that the term tithe is used to describe all of them. This is because the word tithe simply means ten percent. God gave the prescribed amount or percentage of their resources to be committed to these acts of worship. You can look at it this way, God was simply saying to them, “every time you make a profit, bring ten percent of it to the church so that the ministers can be taken care of. Once in a year, bring ten percent of you annual profit so that you, your family and your ministers can celebrate the goodness of God together by feasting together. And once every three years, take another ten percent of your annual profit and give the less privileged and the ministers in your society”. They were three different types of tithes to be given and none cancelled out the other.

I think we don’t have to look far to see how the various types of tithes have been at work in our lives today. We bring our tithes and offerings to God in church, we have love feasts, or whatever you might call it in your setting, where everyone brings a portion of goods to be shared with family and friends and our Pastors which we sometimes call seeds, and we give to the less privileged in our society from time to time, whether corporately or individually. And we are thoroughly getting blessed for it. As I said before, if we put them in their right contexts, we will find that the administration of tithes makes for fairness, mercy and faith.

Still to come…Part 7, The conclusion. https://pdlionunlimited.wordpress.com/2016/09/19/tithes-and-the-new-testament-christian-conclusion/

For part 5, http://wp.me/p6rlMY-1M